Topic: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world (Read 1,471 times)
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Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Thread Started on Sept 18, 2004, 4:08am »
Quoting from the Fate / side material, under the description of Saber's Avalon:
"A Noble Phantasm at the level of magic, and it shuts out all kinds of physical interference, transliners from the parallel world, and transmissions from other dimensions(up to the 6th dimension)"
Putting aside the fact that the Avalon is an uber Noble Phantasm, I was wondering what the higher dimensions are in the TM world.
1st dimension - length, denoted by variable x. 2nd dimension - width, denoted by variable y. 3rd dimension - height, denoted by variable z. 4th dimension - time(?), denoted by variable t. 5th dimension - ? 6th dimension - ? 7th dimension - dimension that runs through Avalon(?)
The 5th or 6th dimension might be the parallel world, but if that's the case, I don't know why he would separate it in the sentence. And if it is, Zelretch will be a magic user who can travel across the higher dimension, and does that make him able to travel accross the lower dimensions such as time...? Or is time not considered as a dimension? Just as a note, Assassin's skill, Tsubame Gaeshi, involves dimensions too, in which the 3rd slash comes in from a different dimension at the same time.
I can't seem to find information of the different dimensions anywhere else, so we have to start here. Any inputs? I hope this is an interesting topic for others too.
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Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #1 on Sept 18, 2004, 5:54am »
Okay... I'll get first in on the guesses here.... 1-3 - x, y, z 4 - time
5 - Probablility
It stems from my view of the multiverse that each probability, each possibility spawns its own reality... hence, I give it to one of the unclaimed dimensions. Here, it would cross over with Zelretch's ability of going to parallel universes.....
6 - Magic/Sorcery
This is the plane that those inclined to magic are passing... be it a source, a means or an end, it falls here. The unnatural stem from this dimension and seeps onto the other dimensions. Effects reach throughout time, space, probability, avalon.... The better their grasp on Magic, the closer they are to the " ".... and speaking of the " "....
0 - " " Since the " " lets its presence be felt no matter the time, no matter the place, no matter the dimension... I say its the 0 dimension.... all come from it, all lead to it....
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Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #2 on Sept 18, 2004, 8:47am »
Could there be a fourth macroscopic spatial dimension in the TM world?
If there is, I would name it Akihanum in honor of a certain someone.
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Or is time not considered as a dimension?
In physics and such, time is considered the fourth dimension of spacetime. It is not a spatial dimension, but a temporal dimension. That does not mean that time is always thought to be the "fourth dimension." A fourth macroscopic spatial dimension (which would not be a temporal dimension) may exist in some universe.
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Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #4 on Sept 18, 2004, 11:28am »
There was a theory fo the 6th dimensions... in a science fiction but I don't konw
1,2,3,4 = length, width, height and time (a.k.a the world we live in) 5th dimensions = mental, like the thought is process here... it said the brain is just a tool to access this dimension... where meomery is store 6th = the dimension that keep all others togther... the duct tape if you will
Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #5 on Sept 18, 2004, 11:39am »
Since dimensions are things that we can, in theory at least, at along, I think time would be one of them. After all, the Servants can show up before they were born.
And Zelretch's jewel magic indicates that another would probably be moving among parallel worlds.
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Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #7 on Sept 18, 2004, 12:13pm »
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Actually, in the science of quantum physics, space is confirmed as the fifth dimension.
But isn't space simply the combination of 1st 2nd and 3rd dimension? and I believe einstein said this is a 4 dimensions world... I like to think of dimension as in a line on a graph
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Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #8 on Sept 18, 2004, 12:23pm »
Just to note, In "A Wrinkle in Time" a VERY old children's book, wasn't like the sixth dimension time travel and the fifth demension reality? Or something like that...
Edit: Just asking because I forgot and it's good to note on old children books. I suppose...
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Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #9 on Sept 18, 2004, 12:49pm »
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0 - " " Since the " " lets its presence be felt no matter the time, no matter the place, no matter the dimension... I say its the 0 dimension.... all come from it, all lead to it....
I don't know about the other dimensions, but the 7th or the last dimension must be something like that!
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Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #10 on Sept 18, 2004, 1:03pm »
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Just to note, In "A Wrinkle in Time" a VERY old children's book, wasn't like the sixth dimension time travel and the fifth demension reality? Or something like that...
Edit: Just asking because I forgot and it's good to note on old children books. I suppose...
Ah.. that book, to teleport is call tessuact right? it said the fifth dimension is the formation of atoms... meaning if you arrive at that dimension you can rearrange stuff like walk thought wall, slip thought times... become god... kinda like marble phastasm in a way
P.s. I probally misspell "tessuact" didn't pay much attention to the book... hench I read it at 10...
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Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #11 on Sept 18, 2004, 1:20pm »
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Ah.. that book, to teleport is call tessuact right? it said the fifth dimension is the formation of atoms... meaning if you arrive at that dimension you can rearrange stuff like walk thought wall, slip thought times... become god... kinda like marble phastasm in a way
My memory somehow thought the teleportation was called a Tesseract or something like that. But yeah, this is what I'm talking about. Then they talked of a reality demension or something like that, it's the one WE live in. I think that's the SIXTH dimension. The fifth unknown one was the Tessauct or Tesseract, the ability to teleport
Edit: And it makes sense too, atoms are forming into the reality we live in, so if you travel through the fifth dimension, you can travel through time, space, whatever.
Re-edit: This is still a bit off topic, though not, the first demension is a line, the second demension is a plane, the third dimension is like a 3d picture on a piece of paper, it looks real but it's just on a plane, the fourth dimension is time, the fifth dimension is the formation of atoms to form the sixth dimension which is reality as we see it and the seventh is Avalon... (the seventh only according to nasu's world)
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Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #13 on Sept 19, 2004, 3:12pm »
When I talk about dimension in a mathematical sense I'm going to italicize it.
I wouldn't think multiple dimensions is a dimension itself. Since dimensions can have different numbers of spatial dimensions themselves, it doesn't really make a great deal of sense.
You have your 2D universes and you have your 3D ones. And likely others. And what the Ds are can change a lot. Like you can have 4 spatials instead of 3. So the point of reference contantly changes. Time might be 5D in another universe.
This might vary some in Nasu since we're talking about mirror universes, but as soon as you get more powerful alterations it starts to get more and more off.
Incidently, I've heard of things like 5 sided squares in higher dimensions and things like that. And yes, thats how they work. I don't understand it either since I live 3 D so far as spatial terms like the rest of you.
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Re: Random Deep topic: Dimensions in the TM world « Reply #14 on Sept 20, 2004, 1:27pm »
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Incidently, I've heard of things like 5 sided squares in higher dimensions and things like that. And yes, thats how they work. I don't understand it either since I live 3 D so far as spatial terms like the rest of you.
I've done a little reading on the subject, though it's been a few years. What I think you're talking about it a Hypercube. Essentially, what you get in 1D is a dot, 2D is a square, 3D is a Cube, 4D is a hypercube. They used pictures to illustrate this in the book I read about it. If you can, imagine that cubes could be folded together to make a "new shape" - that is, essentially, the hypercube.
And if Avalon is in 7D or something, no wonder the wearer is totally invincible. Someone once described what it'd be like for a "person" in 2D to see a person in 3D. They'd essentially see a single, rapidly changing line moving through the air. In 7D, you could hit someone with Avalon with an atomic weapon and they wouldn't even feel it.
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