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« Thread Started on Nov 20, 2005, 9:56am » | |
Now, I don't really know if this kind of thread has been done before--hell if it was--but, has anyone thought of how Servants could stand up to Vampires (shito/shinsou), vice-versa, and demonic creatures in Tsukihime?
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| | Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons
« Reply #2 on Nov 21, 2005, 5:31am » | |
I think the servants are really inferior to Shinto/Shinso/Demons. Mainly because they have to depend on a Master for mana.
But of course you have to take in other issues like the skill of the master and the skill of the vampire. Like Satsuki(using her as a base since she's a young vampire) would probably have her hands full fighting Saber with Rin for her master. Saber could probably win too. But thats to say if Satsuki hasn't really developed her abilities. Now if Satsuki uses her Reality Marble, Saber would be in real trouble. I guess its almost like being in Unlimited Blade Works. But a hell lot more dangerous I guess. And all vampires I assume have the ability to hypnotize. Saber does have her advantages... like one being having a damn sword.
Now try throwing Gilgamesh against Nero Chaos. Lets just say Gilgamesh has a powerful master. Nero Chaos would probably beat Gilgamesh senseless. And Gilgamesh would have to take out all 666 beasts to kill Nero Chaos. Nero would probably eat Gilgamesh with his Reality Marble. Arcueid would probably turn Gilgamesh into nothing with her Marble Phantasm.
Now we all know how powerful Zelretch is. He destroyed the origin of the True Ancestors, the Crimson Moon. He's not joke of course. Now if he had a servant, wouldn't that servant be goddamn powerful? He is a mage after all. I mean servants do reflect the power of their masters. Saber was kinda crap when she had Shirou but she was more powerful with Rin.
And if you assume Arcueid is at the same rank as the Crimson Moon, she would be like at rank 3 of the 27. Thats above Zelretch. Since Arcueid was to be the successor of the Crimson Moon, I think at her full potential she would be just as powerful.
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« Reply #3 on Nov 21, 2005, 5:41am » | |
I'm particularly intrigued by the "1/4 at 30%" clause somewhere in that thread. Does that really mean Arcueid Brunestud really is that powerful?
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« Reply #4 on Nov 21, 2005, 5:59am » | |
Its just a fan doujin that pokes fun at stuff. Basically it shows Arcueid and Saber next to each other and that statement. Then you see Saber looking at her breasts and going , " I see....."
And then Arcueid just goes, "I wonder what fraction of my power little sister is at!"
And Akiha is steaming behind her going,"Do you really want to find out?!!"
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« Reply #5 on Nov 21, 2005, 6:07am » | |
The "1/4th of Arc's power" is canon. Not too sure about the "30 %" part, but it is probably true too.
I suggest you read most of the "Power Comparison" thread as well. ^^
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« Reply #7 on Nov 22, 2005, 9:33pm » | |
XD That's one funny reference there. Poor Akiha. XP
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| | Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons
« Reply #8 on Nov 26, 2005, 9:24am » | |
Wasn't Arcueid created to be the perfect ultimate being?
27 Dead Apostle Ancestors = Servants!?
I can never accept this, even if Nasu said it!! Servants leech their potential and mana from their masters while the 27DAA isn't limited to that!! Plus they can't be killed by normal means because they regenerate.
Nero overpowered Arcueid in 30% limit. A servant would be as strong as Arcueid's 25%. thus Nero > Arcueid > Servant. NOT EQUAL!!!
Also, the servants can never kill Warakia/Tatari!! he's just indestructible without Marvel Phantasm.
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Nero Chaos - Shiki (Perfect Death)
The two just lost because their enemy at that time happend to be their weakness.
We all know that Shiki cheated by pushing Nero's self-destruct switch with his knife, but can't he do the same to the servants?
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What?... I'm just too much of a Dead Apostle fan to let this go...
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| | Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons
« Reply #9 on Nov 27, 2005, 2:05am » | |
Quote:| Also, the servants can never kill Warakia/Tatari!! he's just indestructible without Marvel Phantasm. |
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I also remember someone saying that Warakia also can't be killed because he's a "phenomenon". Even I don't get it. Anyone care to enlighten everyone on this?
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| | Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons
« Reply #10 on Nov 27, 2005, 4:59am » | |
Well, Warakia only manifests as peoples worst nightmares normally (hence why he's labelled a phenomenon, I guess?).
If you kill him when he's manifested as somebody's nightmare, that won't permanently kill him. I imagine Shiki can't even stab him out of existance when he's like that? Only when the red moon (not to be confused with Crimson Moon) shows up will he manifest as his killable, true form.
But since red moon doesn't show up that often (not even once in a blue moon, ahah), you need Arcueid to use Marble Phantasm to make it show up.
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« Reply #11 on Nov 27, 2005, 10:12am » | |
Red moon and Crimson moon? What the... I thought their one and the same?
I thought the Crimson moon gave Warakia his phenominal powers, and the contract will only end until the next Crimson moon appears which is in about 1000 years to the future? Arcueid cheated by summoning the Crimson moon to the amount of space she controlled with Marvel Phantasm, which ended the contract, and reverted him back to his body.
of course I could be mistaken...
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« Reply #12 on Nov 28, 2005, 12:19am » | |
Erm... can somebody clarify if there is a difference or not between Red Moon and Crimson Moon? I thought Crimson Moon was the dead apostle, and Red Moon was just... well, a red moon... >_>;;;
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| | Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons
« Reply #13 on Nov 28, 2005, 12:41am » | |
Quote:Red moon and Crimson moon? What the... I thought their one and the same?
I thought the Crimson moon gave Warakia his phenominal powers, and the contract will only end until the next Crimson moon appears which is in about 1000 years to the future? Arcueid cheated by summoning the Crimson moon to the amount of space she controlled with Marvel Phantasm, which ended the contract, and reverted him back to his body.
of course I could be mistaken...
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The Red Moon in Melty Blood and Crimson Moon the Dead Apostle are two separte things although there could be a link between them. It was originally Altrouge Brunestud who gave Wallachia his powers through the Red Moon. And then Altrouge and Arcueid are both related to the Crimson Moon.
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« Reply #14 on Nov 28, 2005, 2:02am » | |
Uh, I though the Red Moon is an event where Altrouge granted Wallachia to be a phenomenon, and with one added condition: his power will be revoked in the next Red Moon event. Arcueid, always as a cunning sister, learned about this, summons a Red Moon with a Marble Phantasm to end Wallachia's contract with Altrouge. IMO, that is.  (through my understanding from playing the story mode in MB:R).
Well, both Arcueid and Altrouge are derived from the Crimson Moon (they were created, not born), so they are related.
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