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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #15 on Nov 30, 2005, 11:18am »
So I guess in a sense the Red moon is merely just a summoning of the Red moon itself and the part of the relation to the Crimson Moon would be that only 2 beings are able to summon the Red moon which is the Crimson moons direct heir or child meaning Arcueid and Altrouge.... More or Less I think ^ ^ () (If I made a mistake do forgive me ^ ^ () )
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #16 on Nov 30, 2005, 11:03pm »
Erm, Red Moon is an event (a time where the Moon becomes red, blood red, like in the prologue section of the Plus Period book).
Arc and Alt are made from Crimson Moon, where Alt is unstable and Arc is the near perfect copy of Crimson Moon.
In the MB:R, Arc manage to revoke Wallachia's power by summoning a Red Moon event by her Marble Phantasm and turn him back into a physical being so Shiki can do _his_ cutting attack.
Uh.. if there is any mistakes, please correct me, gomen..
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #17 on Dec 1, 2005, 12:08am »
Servants vs Dead Apostle Ancestors? DAA WINS... PERIOD!!!
Nero will just eat them. And they can't kill 666 lives at one single strike.
Warakia will just summon clones of Warcueid, Nero and Nanaya to finish the job.
. . Question, when Shiki fought Nero, his beasts weren't regenerating because Shiki got the properties of perfect death. but isn't it a requirement to stab the death core and not just tracing the lines to permanently kill someone?
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #18 on Dec 1, 2005, 8:36am »
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Erm, Red Moon is an event (a time where the Moon becomes red, blood red, like in the prologue section of the Plus Period book).
Arc and Alt are made from Crimson Moon, where Alt is unstable and Arc is the near perfect copy of Crimson Moon.
In the MB:R, Arc manage to revoke Wallachia's power by summoning a Red Moon event by her Marble Phantasm and turn him back into a physical being so Shiki can do _his_ cutting attack.
Uh.. if there is any mistakes, please correct me, gomen..
I understand ^ ^ and thank you for the correction and the info...
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #20 on Dec 1, 2005, 10:20pm »
No problem, Memory. Just wished I could _read_ the Japanese text in my Plus Period book! (I've bought it, but can't read it *sigh* (on a side note: does anyone here got an English translation _text_ file for the book )
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #21 on Dec 2, 2005, 1:40am »
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Servants vs Dead Apostle Ancestors? DAA WINS... PERIOD!!!
Nero will just eat them. And they can't kill 666 lives at one single strike.
Warakia will just summon clones of Warcueid, Nero and Nanaya to finish the job.
. . Question, when Shiki fought Nero, his beasts weren't regenerating because Shiki got the properties of perfect death. but isn't it a requirement to stab the death core and not just tracing the lines to permanently kill someone?
Tracing lines means just normally killing. To hit the dot means that person doesn't come back; can't reincarnate, and can't even enjoy the next life. That's how dangerous stabbing the dot is.
I'm not sure what you were saying, but Shiki only killed him via tracing the lines.
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #22 on Dec 2, 2005, 2:30am »
Yeah, to stab a dot means that person as of that moment ceases to exist completely. Since Nero can't revive, Shiki just needs to kill all 666 of his beasts and he won't come back.
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #23 on Dec 2, 2005, 2:46am »
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Question, when Shiki fought Nero, his beasts weren't regenerating because Shiki got the properties of perfect death. but isn't it a requirement to stab the death core and not just tracing the lines to permanently kill someone?
Tracing lines means just normally killing. To hit the dot means that person doesn't come back; can't reincarnate, and can't even enjoy the next life. That's how dangerous stabbing the dot is.
I'm not sure what you were saying, but Shiki only killed him via tracing the lines.
Slicing the lines is more than just normal killing. The lines branch out of the dot. As you say, stabbing the dot is like erasing an existence completely. The lines will also heavily impact the stability of the target to exist in the world. That's why Arcueid had to reconstruct her body from the molecular level to regenerate, while it was too difficult for Nero Chaos to do that.
Now seriously replying to the topic...
Arcueid Vs Any Servant Arcueid will win by raw power. Maybe Saber at max power will be able to evade all her attacks with Avalon and counter with Exacalibur.
Nero Chaos vs Saber, Gilgamesh Noble Phantasm strong enough to wipe out 666 lives at once.
Nero Chaos vs Caster, Archer Their spells might be strong enough to wipe out his beasts
Nero Chaos vs other Servants They have no means of stopping all of Nero Chaos's beasts at once.
Wallachia vs Servants Wallachia will have a small chance in his true form, but maybe he can take form of a Servant that they are most feared by each one.
Original Roa vs Servants Roa has the advantage since he's supposedly almost as strong as Arcuied?
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #24 on Dec 2, 2005, 11:41am »
Warakia vs Servants Oops I totally forgot that he can only transform into someone's nightmares so he can't really summon Warucueid unless some servant knew her existence.
- Warakia's true form is weak, but as long as he stay as Tatari he's indestructible. but, being indestructible doesn't mean you're strong. - As long as the Servants don't have any destructive fears, Tatari can't harm them.
I think this would be a draw... unless one of the Servants is afraid of Godzilla or Son Goku.
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Slicing the lines is more than just normal killing. The lines branch out of the dot. As you say, stabbing the dot is like erasing an existence completely. The lines will also heavily impact the stability of the target to exist in the world. That's why Arcueid had to reconstruct her body from the molecular level to regenerate, while it was too difficult for Nero Chaos to do that.
Wow! Arcueid did that!!
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Nero Chaos vs Saber, Gilgamesh Noble Phantasm strong enough to wipe out 666 lives at once.
Nero Chaos vs Caster, Archer Their spells might be strong enough to wipe out his beasts
They have weapons/techniques THAT strong!!! Darn!! I have more reasons to play Fate!!!
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #25 on Dec 2, 2005, 3:15pm »
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[quote author=velocity7 board=general thread=1132498566 post=1133505622]Nero Chaos vs Saber, Gilgamesh Noble Phantasm strong enough to wipe out 666 lives at once.
Nero Chaos vs Caster, Archer Their spells might be strong enough to wipe out his beasts
I don't know, I'd think Rider and her Bellerophon should get a mention as well. It isn't as powerful as Excalibur or Air but it's still certainly up there. Other then that, I'd completely agree with this list.
I wonder where Evil Sakura and Rin with Zelretch would rank as well. What with infinite mana they'd both be pretty damn powerful... very close to Arcueid I'd guess.
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #26 on Dec 2, 2005, 3:17pm »
Warakia blows those fears out of proportion though. If you were, say, afraid of dogs, Warakia would become the biggest, meanest dog you've ever seen, with blood dripping off of its teeth and coals of burning fire for eyes and acid piss. I mean, Miyako isn't that strong in the actual story, but when she was Akiha's boss, she was like a Bajiquan master.
Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #27 on Dec 3, 2005, 5:16am »
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Nero Chaos vs Saber, Gilgamesh Noble Phantasm strong enough to wipe out 666 lives at once.
Nero Chaos vs Caster, Archer Their spells might be strong enough to wipe out his beasts
I wonder what would happen if Nero theorized a threat like that, and spread out to minimize the effect.. Maybe converge from all sides abruptly, or a bit at a time. It didn't even take all 666 lives to restrain Arcueid, so if he was careful he could interrupt the use of such abilities and overwhelm them, maybe? This all assuming that Nero could realize the threat quick enough..
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #28 on Dec 3, 2005, 10:56am »
I wouldn't doubt it. He may have underestimated Shiki because Shike was human but Nero was known as the Professor right? I bet he'd recognize a more apparent threat like a Servant with that sort of power.
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Re: Servants vs. Shito/Shinsou vs. Demons « Reply #29 on Dec 6, 2005, 1:21am »
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I don't know, I'd think Rider and her Bellerophon should get a mention as well. It isn't as powerful as Excalibur or Air but it's still certainly up there. Other then that, I'd completely agree with this list.
I think Rider and Nero would actually make a good fight. They both have power and agility: Nero can release a fast or strong beast. Rider's strength B and Agility A. They both have a DoT(Damage over time) special: Soil of Genesis vs Blood Fort Andromeda. I beilieve Nero's 999 dash move is equal as Bellerophon, their both have powerful beasts simply charging at each other. I think how effective Rider's Mystic Eyes will work on Nero Chaos's Lair of the King Beast, which his own rule apply, will determine the outcome.
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I wonder where Evil Sakura and Rin with Zelretch would rank as well. What with infinite mana they'd both be pretty damn powerful... very close to Arcueid I'd guess.
Zelretch should be above Arcueid since he was able to defeat Crimson Moon, and Arucied is merely a copy of Crimson Moon. But he's not as young as he used to be today. And to me, Evil Sakura and Rin doesn't look that threatful to an advanced user of mana.
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but Nero was known as the Professor right?
It's just that the fans like to call him professor, but I don't know Nero's too focused to his own interest. He was definately only looking at Arcueid.
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