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Re: Fate/Tsukihime questions « Reply #30 on Jan 31, 2006, 2:31pm »
He what?! Wow, that took some balls. I didn't know Kiritsugu did that kind of stuff, except for the guns. Especially that first thing. How did he even manage to pull that off?
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Re: Fate/Tsukihime questions « Reply #31 on Jan 31, 2006, 3:41pm »
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He what?! Wow, that took some balls. I didn't know Kiritsugu did that kind of stuff, except for the guns. Especially that first thing. How did he even manage to pull that off?
I think the book said he took the wife/lover of the OTHER Masters hostages... but I came up with one possible reason that may scare other masters. Kiritsugu's wife was also a Homunculus, then she could have been the "Holy Grail" of the last war, lol.
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Re: Fate/Tsukihime questions « Reply #32 on Jan 31, 2006, 4:14pm »
Yes. I didn't understand why Kiritsugu taking his own wife hostage would scare other Masters. It would be obvious that he wouldn't want to kill her, and they probably wouldn't even care unless she was valuable.
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Re: Fate/Tsukihime questions « Reply #35 on Jan 31, 2006, 11:09pm »
You know that reminds me... is it really canon that servants can't remember past wars becuase their servant bodies are only copies? (forget when I heard this)
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Re: Fate/Tsukihime questions « Reply #37 on Jan 31, 2006, 11:31pm »
Well, Heroic Spirits exist over time (if I remember correctly.) So I assume they are being summoned in infinitely many wars... or something.
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Re: Fate/Tsukihime questions « Reply #38 on Feb 1, 2006, 7:33am »
They're mainly summoned for other stuff, not the Fuyuki grail wars. There are other more orthodox ways to draw upon their power that don't involve direct summoning. The lower ranking ones without any divine blood or with low recognition/worship are also dispatched as mindless counter-forces.
According to Kotomine, Angra, and Shirou, Servants' memories cannot be carried over. Servants don't have any real memories of what happened after they died. As spirits they're supposed to be a completed product that aren't going to change on its own.
Archer compared it to being in a room and being sent out at the same time. Whenever they're summoned, there's information sent to them about what occurred (they can get the general idea of what happened and have knowledge of heroes that they'e never met before as a result, but that's just as information and not memories/carried-over experience. The real problem is when that information was sent.
Re: Fate/Tsukihime questions « Reply #39 on Feb 1, 2006, 10:31am »
Eirei isn't only for the Holy Grail War. They are superior being that exist over time. I think it was nature that makes the people Eirei, and uses them when there are chaos (or something like that). It's just that the Holy Grail also uses them for the war.
Technically after they get summoned, they don't go back to where they came from and just dissapear, so they CAN'T remember the wars they have fought. I don't quite remember clearly, but just like Arai said, Archer claimed that it is like being in the room, and when they are summoned, they read a "book" that is sent to them and learn about the time period.
From what I remember, the exception is Saber, Angra Mayu, and Gilgamesh.
Saber remembers the previous war because she isn't quite a Heroric Spirit yet. Its described in one of the pictures in "Another" that her time is stopped just before her death. She is summoned from this time, and when she finishes fighting, she goes back. So she is fighting as herself, not as a copy like other heroric spirits. She can get out of this infinity loop only when she succeeds in getting the holy grail when she gets her wish granted, then and only then she becomes a Heroric Spirit like others. (This is the reason that she can't turn invisible. This was true when she paired up with Kiritugu also. It is said that she wore some expensive black suit to disguise back then, not a raincoat. . .)
Anri Mayu is a Heroric Spirit, but he didn't dissapear by staying inside the holy grail. Because of this, he still has his memory from the Third Holy Grail War. Which is similar to Gilgamesh, except he's getting his mana from Kirei, not the Holy Grail.
Archer became a Heroric Spirit for two reasons. One to save some people at the time he was alive, and the second one was because he thought he can save more people by being a Heroric spirit. But then the truth was that the heroric spirits were infact summoned AFTER there are chaos (when summoned by nature, not the holy grail), and more like clean-up crews rather than heros saving people. And because of this, he realized there is no meaning to be a heroric spirit and realized the only possible way to get out of this is by killing himself in the past. (Which I think won't work because Eirei exists over time)
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I only remember this vaguely. . .
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Re: Fate/Tsukihime questions « Reply #40 on Feb 2, 2006, 2:43pm »
I have another question about Tsukihime besides the one about Hisui's hypersensitivity. The killer who has a conversation with Shiki Nanaya on the Tohno side of the game: Is he just some random murderer, or Shiki Tohno in disguise? I've never seen screenshots or images of that character, but my impression has been that he's sort of like the guy who Shiki fought in the KT sidestory with Akira.
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Re: Fate/Tsukihime questions « Reply #41 on Feb 2, 2006, 6:51pm »
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I also have a small question about something I noticed in the Tsukihime walkthroughs on The Moonlit World. It says in Hisui's chapter that when Shiki takes her up to her bedroom after the party, he finds out she is "hypersensitive to a man's touch." Does this mean she is afraid of it, or excited by it? Is it why she sucks on his finger while he is asleep?
She is afraid of being touched by a man.
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The killer who has a conversation with Shiki Nanaya on the Tohno side of the game: Is he just some random murderer, or Shiki Tohno in disguise? I've never seen screenshots or images of that character, but my impression has been that he's sort of like the guy who Shiki fought in the KT sidestory with Akira.
The killer in Kohaku's scenario is Shiki Tohno, Akiha's real brother. The reader has to guess that its him since it never shows the character image in this scene. That part's one of the best work by Kinoko in my opinion because it shows how badass Shiki Nanaya is and how the two Shikis could have been good friends, without telling you directly.
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