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Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Thread Started on Jan 25, 2005, 12:56am »
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From what you know, how would you compare Type-Moon characters (Tsukihime, Fate, Kara no Kyokai, Notes) to each other in terms of the overall powers they possess?
Rougly I think... (each members on the average)
Aristoteles >>>> A-ray = Ether Liners w/ Demonic Sword > Magic Users > True Ancestors > Dead Apostle Ancestors > Burial Agency > Servants > Knights of the Church = Demon hunters > Demons = Dead Apostles > mage > psychic ability users > ordinary people
Specifically I think... (each character at full power)
I could add characters who haven't appeared like Altrouge but the list will become way too long... I also excluded joke characters like Mech Hisui & Neko Arc.
- Arcueid = finest copy of Crimson Moon = Type-Moon = Most powerful character in TM verse no doubt. - Had the most difficulty placing Akiha... - I think Ren is actually powerful. - Satsuki should be up there if she becomes a full vampire, but I bet not as strong as the professor! - Vampire Sion, on the other hand, might be around there. - Sakura and Rin in HF scenario were crazy, but I think it's just that they had a lot of mana to use, and Sakura's shadow was just so anti-servant... if an opponent above the list fought them seriously, I say they would lose. - Gun God can kill the Types, but probably lose to all others. - Nanako is in pair with Ciel.
- I feel that the Forest of Einnashe could possibly be more powerful than Nero, althrough that's just my view, I see if Nero went into the forest, he might not come back out.
- I see Merm as more powerful than a full fledged Yumizuka. I feel that while she would have great potent, that your overestimating her a bit.
- I also put more faith in Touko, and hence she's gone up the chart.
And I somehow feel uncomfortable with Kohaku being that low, It somehow feels unnatural. Asides from that, I agree with your assumptions.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #2 on Jan 25, 2005, 1:56am »
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- I feel that the Forest of Einnashe could possibly be more powerful than Nero, althrough that's just my view, I see if Nero went into the forest, he might not come back out.
- I see Merm as more powerful than a full fledged Yumizuka. I feel that while she would have great potent, that your overestimating her a bit.
- I also put more faith in Touko, and hence she's gone up the chart.
And I somehow feel uncomfortable with Kohaku being that low, It somehow feels unnatural. Asides from that, I agree with your assumptions.
I believe that the list is not measuring actual power, in all the possible means... It does measure, IMO, the amount of raw destructive/combat power each of these entities has. Ergo:
-The Forest of Einnashe, while being really powerful by itself, lacks the kind of mobility that Nero has. That's why Nero is above, and let's not forget he's The Professor.
-(no comments on Merm)
-Touko... Tricky issue. Particularly because of her Rune Magic, which requires close contact...
-Kohaku... Well, we know she's technically the most powerful character in Tsukihime, but not because she's powerful "per-se"... But because she's more witty and focused than most other characters.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #3 on Jan 25, 2005, 2:08am »
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-The Forest of Einnashe, while being really powerful by itself, lacks the kind of mobility that Nero has. That's why Nero is above, and let's not forget he's The Professor.
Yeah, I understand that althrough there must be some reason on why the forest of Einnashe is ranked higher among the DA. And Mobility is good, but it'd still be difficult for Nero to finish the forest off.
But yeah, I get where your coming from, the Forest will only really harm you if you go near it, or are near where it appears. However Nero can actually hunt you down.
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-Kohaku... Well, we know she's technically the most powerful character in Tsukihime, but not because she's powerful "per-se"... But because she's more witty and focused than most other characters.
Hey, Kohaku knows kungfu and is secretly broom girl and and... other things.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #4 on Jan 25, 2005, 2:59am »
Problem with Tsukihime is that it's sooooooo hard to quantify their powers with any meaningful results.
Also "Burial Agency > Servants"
I can understand this may be true with someone like Merm, but comparing someone like Ciel (post-Roa, for fairness' sake) to any of the servants, wouldn't the servants obviously be somewhat stronger?
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #8 on Jan 25, 2005, 6:28am »
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Also "Burial Agency > Servants"
I can understand this may be true with someone like Merm, but comparing someone like Ciel (post-Roa, for fairness' sake) to any of the servants, wouldn't the servants obviously be somewhat stronger?
Let's go with the simple analogy that a Servant has 1/8 the power of Arcueid. Maybe Ciel could be a bit stronger?
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #10 on Jan 25, 2005, 6:40am »
Few things to mention. You missed Kurosaki Satsuki and Asagami Fujino is misplaced! In theory Satsuki can do whatever he wants by just saying... Also Ryogi mentioned that Fujino would have become a killing machine if she was left alone... Apparently Ryogi had hard time with her already. They weren't that much in Rakkyo but since all the characters are at their full potential... Satsuki should be at least within top 10 and Fujino within top 25.
And... If I remember correctly full Kurenaisekishu Akiha is beyond anything human (and I guess that includes Servants and even Dead Apostle Ancestors?)
Guardian Angels were powerful indeed, that's what Nasu said, but them being over wizards is giving them too much credit. Wizards are like... aristoteles of Alaya in certain way. Zelretch for one thing. He could destroy a parallel of universe with his unlimited munchkin mana.
Lastly, few other small things. Hanei should be stronger than Arcueid. Forest of Einnasch, Nrvnqsr Chaos and Wallachia need to be at same level. Burial Agency being over the Servants is not right... they need to be at least equal to Dead Apostle Ancestors in power. Not enough Satsuki. Mad.
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I thought the proper fraction was 1/4. Or was that Akiha-bashing CCC doujinshi just off?
1/4 thing is official.... wait.. does that mean the Servants as a group are over Arcueid?
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #12 on Jan 25, 2005, 2:54pm »
If the Servants could combine their powers into one then maybe, othewise you're simply hitting Arcueid repeatedly with 1/4 strength attacks.
I suppose it's like tank armor. It either breaks or it doesn't.
Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #13 on Jan 25, 2005, 10:55pm »
Hmm, I'm not sure about Arcueid being more powerful than all of them at full power. Would that really outclass a type? She should only get equal to one at best I'd think.
I'd think maybe Zelretch and Aoko higher than A ray 20? Zelretch was able to destroy Brunestud after all, even if it was a cheap shot.
I kind of have trouble believing Assassins were as high as they were. They weren't even all that good a heroes in the first place. I think True Assassin did pretty poorly for all his backup and Assassin himself wasn't that hot... I think just by sheer power output a lot of them like Shirou would defeat him. Gilgamesh also seems a bit high...
I'm not sure I agree with Ciel being up as high as she was if you put the immortality thing aside. She didn't seem to have servant output.
I want to see Ren versus Berserker now. How would Ilya react to him being beat by a cat?
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #14 on Jan 25, 2005, 10:59pm »
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I kind of have trouble believing Assassins were as high as they were. They weren't even all that good a heroes in the first place. I think True Assassin did pretty poorly for all his backup and Assassin himself wasn't that hot... I think just by sheer power output a lot of them like Shirou would defeat him. Gilgamesh also seems a bit high...
Assassins' full potential were powerful. They got pwned because they were not female and they were not important storywise... Assassin has an unavoidable attack and True Assassin has an instant kill.... Also, keep in mind that we are talking about the characters' full potential. I believe that means instant kills work this time....
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