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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #30 on Jan 29, 2005, 10:26am »

I'm rather surprised Ciel did so well...

Arcueid totally destroyed her in Tsukihime, and that was Arcueid with like 10% of her power.

Since servants are supposed to be 1/4 the power of Arcueid... (well, it IS off CCC, not TM, but still...)

Come to think of it, Rin calls Kirei an executioner. Is he actually in Ciel's group?
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #31 on Jan 29, 2005, 11:41am »
Nope. He's a 1st-class Daikousha but he isn't a member of the Burial Agency.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #32 on Jan 30, 2005, 2:35am »

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Arcueid totally destroyed her in Tsukihime, and that was Arcueid with like 10% of her power.


1/10? and Arcueid's still that strong... ^^;


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Since servants are supposed to be 1/4 the power of Arcueid... (well, it IS off CCC, not TM, but still...)


It's an official fact from the Fate Premium Fanbook.


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Come to think of it, Rin calls Kirei an executioner. Is he actually in Ciel's group?


Kirei should be significantly weaker than Ciel & the Burial Agency. Take for example the Black Key. Kirei can only carry couple while Ciel can hide hundreds of hilts and form the blades out of sorcery. She can use the Crementation Ritual & Steel plate effect, he can't (probably).
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #33 on Jan 30, 2005, 8:25am »

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So even someone with say, Superman's strength of 87 billion tons, couldn't hurt a servent?

Or is it just invulnerbility against the strength levels of Type-Moon?



I've been trying to decipher this whole conceptual weapons and conceptual combat deal in Tsukihime, and I think it can boil down to one of the two following:



1) People with high conceptual energy "ground" themselves into existence and make themselves harder to "erase" or "disrupt" from existence or the world of the living. conceptual weapons break that grounding.

2) People with high conceptual energy use methods such as reality marbles, or connections to some higher entity of power such as Gaia to mold or defy the normal laws of reality, rendering conventional physical means of destroying them useless. Conceptual weapons break down their "resistance" to the over-arching laws of normal reality and make it more possible for normal physical force and attacks to hurt them the way they normally would.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #34 on Jan 30, 2005, 9:56am »
Kirei never used Cremation Ritual, but I thought he used the Steel Plate effect when he pinned True Assassin to a tree?

He also seems to use some sort of divine sorcery as well.. like the one he used while grinding Zouken against a wall...

And I really think Ryogi and Sakura should be at the top :P. Ryogi's awakened version is just like a god or something, all-knowing. And Sakura+Angra Mainyu could very well destroy a whole town in a matter of seconds :P
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #35 on Jan 30, 2005, 11:17am »
I agree with Awakened Ryogi being at the top, but Sakura with Angra Mainyu would probably be like an evil Aozaki Aoko bent on destroying everything in her path.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #36 on Feb 12, 2005, 3:32am »
What about Alaya Souren? He beat Touko and almost beat Ryogi, so he should be pretty strong. I think he might be stronger than Ryogi within his realm.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #37 on Feb 12, 2005, 5:22pm »

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I think he might be stronger than Ryogi within his realm.


Ryogi at her full potential is like God... She should be at least beyond the Wizards, and Souren is just a powerful sorcerer.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #38 on Feb 12, 2005, 11:28pm »

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Ryogi at her full potential is like God... She should be at least beyond the Wizards, and Souren is just a powerful sorcerer.


Quite. She can probably kill anything, even the concept of Akasha herself.

Which would then screw everything right up.
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« Reply #39 on Feb 12, 2005, 11:51pm »
While I agree that Shiki should be able to kill God if she wanted to, Alaya seemed pretty tough himself. He has multiple bodies which he can switch over to when he dies, and he kept blocking her's attacks with his left hand, which has no line of death at all. He also has 3 layers of aura around him which makes the target completely immobile, and is able to teleport to anywhere inside his realm in instant. Even after she cut the line of death on Alaya's body, he retaliated back, trapping her into another dimension, and revived back into another body. Even Touko and Shiki implies that Alaya wouldve killed her if it weren't for Tomoe.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #40 on Feb 13, 2005, 3:06am »

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While I agree that Shiki should be able to kill God if she wanted to, Alaya seemed pretty tough himself. He has multiple bodies which he can switch over to when he dies, and he kept blocking her's attacks with his left hand, which has no line of death at all. He also has 3 layers of aura around him which makes the target completely immobile, and is able to teleport to anywhere inside his realm in instant. Even after she cut the line of death on Alaya's body, he retaliated back, trapping her into another dimension, and revived back into another body. Even Touko and Shiki implies that Alaya wouldve killed her if it weren't for Tomoe.


Putting aside Shiki Ryogi's awakened state aside for now, you are talking about how Souren Araya was able to win against normal Shiki Ryogi right? I'm not sure how her physical ability compare to Shiki Nanaya, but her Eyes of death perception was certainly better than Shiki Tohno's. So I agree he is pretty strong! That's why I ranked him highest within the regular mages. Most, if not all of the characters above him though, I believe has enough power to destroy the whole apartment along with him...

By the way, the reason I didn't put Shiki Ryogi, even awakened, on the top is that even though she has the eyes to kill a god, super physical abilty and precognition to back it up... she is still a human. She might not be able to win against a higher being who can move faster than what her body can react? In the battle against Araya Souren, she still wasn't teleporting or stopping time; She was just moving ridiculously early, fast, and accurately.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #41 on Feb 13, 2005, 7:07am »
Actually, I started to talk about Souren because he's not mentioned at all in the listing.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #42 on Feb 14, 2005, 2:58pm »

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Putting aside Shiki Ryogi's awakened state aside for now, you are talking about how Souren Araya was able to win against normal Shiki Ryogi right? I'm not sure how her physical ability compare to Shiki Nanaya, but her Eyes of death perception was certainly better than Shiki Tohno's. So I agree he is pretty strong! That's why I ranked him highest within the regular mages. Most, if not all of the characters above him though, I believe has enough power to destroy the whole apartment along with him...

By the way, the reason I didn't put Shiki Ryogi, even awakened, on the top is that even though she has the eyes to kill a god, super physical abilty and precognition to back it up... she is still a human. She might not be able to win against a higher being who can move faster than what her body can react? In the battle against Araya Souren, she still wasn't teleporting or stopping time; She was just moving ridiculously early, fast, and accurately.


I'd actually doubt she did her best against Araya. She was just playing the role of a master samurai, something she probably took in from the Akashic Record. In the epilogue, Shiki(3) says that she could cure Mikiya's eyes if she wanted to. Or pretty much anything that he would wish. That means that, when awakened, she could do quite a lot more than just moving fast and looking into the future... ::)

If she could take on the role of a samurai, why wouldn't she be able to act as a true wizard? After all, she has complete knowledge of every magic and sorcery in existance. That would put her above all the wizards, for one thing.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #43 on Feb 14, 2005, 7:28pm »
Awakened ryogi shiki is comparable to that of a god. When she was fighting araya she was only partially awakened and that by itself was already rather impressive.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison
« Reply #44 on Feb 17, 2005, 2:11am »
By the way, doesn't Tokuhon mention that ORT has the most physical power in Nasuverse?
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