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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #45 on Feb 17, 2005, 2:29am »
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By the way, doesn't Tokuhon mention that ORT has the most physical power in Nasuverse?
Yeah, I forgot where it originally came from but that's official. If I were to place it on the list, it'll be right next to Type-Moon/Arcueid Brunestud. I'm guessing Type-Moon should be close to ORT in terms of overall ability... though their nature of power would be completely different since they are from different planets.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #46 on Feb 17, 2005, 8:32pm »
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Yeah, I forgot where it originally came from but that's official. If I were to place it on the list, it'll be right next to Type-Moon/Arcueid Brunestud. I'm guessing Type-Moon should be close to ORT in terms of overall ability... though their nature of power would be completely different since they are from different planets.
I don't know how accurate it is but, this was posted some time ago on the Animesuki Forums (can't find exact link, just copy and pasted it back then ). Edit: I think he meant Gaia's white beast/Primate Murder with Gaia.
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Just letting you know, the ranking's decided by the potential harm that it can do to humankind. That's why the 27th
guy, who's locked in his own maze right now, is the last of dead apostle even though he's closest to being a
magician out of all sorcerers. (he's stronger than most of the Dead Apostles in ranking 26 to 10)
Technically - according to tsukihime setting book (that was released with the limited edition) - O.R.T has the
highest combat ability out of all the dead apostle as well as having the upgraded version of innate barrier called
Crystall valley.
The second comes Six Diadem of darkness - also known as the "Six Sisters" in another doujin novel called Note. The
six diadem of darkness basically awakens itself at the time of apocalypse, and defends the earth against the
Ultimate Ones of the other planets trying to destroy mankind - who destroyed earth in a far / distant future.
The third is Wizard Marshall Zelretch / 4th Crimson Moon / 5th Gaia.
There was also a bit additional information about magicians (1st magician being able to manipulate time).
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There are about 5 different characters in Tsukihime's setting that can reverse / go against causality - and these
are "magicians" - magicians are defined as "those who can make the impossible happen" in Tsukihime's world setting.
the first magician can manipulate time.
the 2nd, known as ZelRetch, can merge different dimensions / realities in one and vice versa (if there was an
alternate dimension where Alucard was a weakling, he can overlap that dimension into this one. Or he can
simultaneously press three buttons with only one finger by merging three different possibilities / timeline) .
the 3rd can recreate / destroy souls as long as it's written in the Akashic Record.
4th, known as Miss Blue (better known as Aozaki Aoko for Tsukihime fans) is supposedly the ultimate "destroyer" -
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #47 on Feb 17, 2005, 8:45pm »
So...Dark Six will appear when the world (or at least, the humans) is to be destroyed by the Types and defend the Earth, then? Sounds like a downgraded Type-Earth...
Her back to the sunset, she cast an "eclipse" of sorts, of a woman in a dress, with feathered wings protruding. Simply..beautiful.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #48 on Feb 18, 2005, 1:28am »
Dark Six is supposed to be awaken by the dead apostles if Tsukihime 2 rumor is correct. And I'm still not sure if Dark Six and Six Sisters are the same... Never been officially said so, if I remember correctly.
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Re: Type-Moon Characters Strength Comparison « Reply #49 on Feb 18, 2005, 1:52am »
I don't think the first magic was ever confirmed to be time travel either. It's just that Kinoku switched between saying there were 4 magicians and 5 magics, so people guessed that the first magician was a time traveler; he/she wasn't in their era anymore so he/she wasn't counted. But the recent Tsukihime Plus Period confirmed that the first magician died... so you can probably cross out time travel and ressurection as the first magic.
On the Comptique magazine September issue there was an article about the Servant's power in comparison to Tsukihime characters. I didn't get the actual magazine, but Tsukihime Lab wrote a summary. I think it's pretty interesting...
First of all, how strong are Servants? Kinoko says they are like a fighter jet. They are so much more stronger than an ordinary human, but it takes several tries and need to refuel to destroy a whole city. In terms of physical damage, there are stronger weapons in today's world, but Servants are invulnerable to them since they are essentially spirits. Just like how fighter Jets have different kind of ammunitions, Servants have different kind of Noble Phantasms.
Servants are 1/4 the power of Arcueid. (1/2 the power of Neco Arc) If it was 2 Servants against Arcueid, one might be able to kill her while one is keeping her busy. Arcueid's power in this 1/4 comparison is 30% of her full potential.
Now the Servants in comparison to the other characters. We assume that 1. It's an one on one battle, and 2. The Servant's Noble Phantasm is something average.
Those who can fight them equally - 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors - Kishima Kouma - Aozaki Aoko
Those who are able to fight them if they fought defensively - Ciel -"Ryogi Shiki"
Tohno Shiki and regular Ryogi Shiki are no match for Servants.
What surprised me is how low the awakened Ryogi Shiki is. That puts Araya Souren pretty low too. Although I don't know how useful this comparsion is in a real situation because expections always happen in Type-Moon games. Shirou defeated Gilgamesh (underestimated), Shiki defeated Nero(underestimated), and Shiki accidently killed Arcueid (surprise attack). I also don't know if they are considering Tohno Shiki when his Nanaya blood awakened, but he's still should be equal or weaker than the awakened Ryogi Shiki...
If the Servants are only 1/4 the power of Arc when she ia at 30%, then... When Arc is at full power, Servants are... *whips out a calculator. 7.5% of Arc's actual Strength?
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Well you have to take several things in account when speaking of Tohno Shiki. 1) Arcueid weakened Roa to every sense of the word "weakened"... 2) Arcueid weakened Nero... (he was in Nanaya mode too) 3) Arcueid wasn't paying attention when Shiki killed her 4) You forgot to take into account Shiki's "EX" luck status! X3
If Shiki fights anyone of the Dead Apostles at their full power... he'd probably fail to kill them.
I don't recall ever calling myself a hero, nor, have I really cared for justice. I have always fought for those I believe in. If an enemy crosses my path, I will destroy it.
Well, I'm not sure about the game, but in the manga Arcueid did not weaken Nero in the least in the fight.
In fact, Nero went all out against Nanaya Shiki and couldn't even scratch him with all his beasts, giant ass demon insect and even his transformed form.
Like I said, the game might be different, but if the manga is official canon as well, I wouldn't underestimate Nanaya Shiki.
I think Ryogi Shiki was ranked too low especially if she went into battlemode. Araya souren, whom text said could dodge bullets with his battle reflexes, got his arm chopped off before he could react. In fact he jumped back after Ryogi took his arm off, and that is with Ryogi slowed down by his last bounded barrier.
It has been repeatedly stated that Ryogi still has the reflex of a normal human, but remember Sourens comment on Ryogis mode switch. In battlemode one cease to become a human but a pure weapon, in which the mind drove the body to surpass its limits. If I remember correctly, souren said something about altering the way their blood flows as an example of the effect of such a mindset.
As far as how much chance normal human has against servants... well true assassin can't even kill Kotomine.
Araya souren, whom text said could dodge bullets with his battle reflexes, got his arm chopped off before he could react.
Comparison by bullet effectiveness, in my opinion.
- Servants should easily be able to dodge bullets and it won't work on them. - Bullets won't work on the 27 DAAs. Regeneration, etc. - Kouma Kishima might not be able to dodge it, but it probably won't hurt him much. - I don't know if Aoko can dodge them, but she can counter with a missile launcher class offensive power. - Ciel can definately dodge bullets - "Ryogi Shiki" is definately faster
but
- Nanaya Kiri said their clan can't dodge bullets... ORZ
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