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|  | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #285 on Jan 21, 2006, 1:37am » | |
Was it because Saber has magic resistance/immunity?
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #286 on Jan 21, 2006, 1:53am » | |
The only way to avoid the Gae Bolg (Gay Borg, ufufu), is to have high luck, as opposed to say ... agility or defense.
Maybe Saber just had high luck, and managed to avoid death, taking instead a wound which would heal extremely quickly since she's a Servant.
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #287 on Jan 21, 2006, 2:31pm » | |
Or you have a stand that can see the future or skip time ehehhe j/k
The sub I saw has explanation, but for those who had never play the game it can be confusing as to what the hell's going on. BTW I think the master of lancer call of the atttack was because he is a coward, and was pretty surprise that a garantee hit attack missed. Knowing how strong Sabre is I guess the master doesn't want to lose Lancer (he may even know Sabre has high luck). So instead of a frontal assault the master choose to attack again at a more favorable time. I never played the game, however; I am just analysing the situation base on clues that the anime has presented to us.
One thing interesting is that lancer can hit you before he actually start hiting you. I guess he can hit you so fast that he hit you in the past lol 88 miles/hours...unfortunately Sabre can almost see the future and it's one lucky girl. Shirow (sp?) really need to get Sabre to buy some lottery tickets XD
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #288 on Jan 21, 2006, 2:33pm » | |
Wait. You know Lancer's master Vampire-san, who is it?
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #289 on Jan 21, 2006, 2:42pm » | |
Well, you can always check Moonlit World's Servant Status page for Lancer, so as not to spoil in this thread with important, plot-related stuff that hasn't happened yet in the anime. 
But I'll propose an alternate theory about Lancer, too. SPOILERS: Lancer might not have been aiming to kill Saber, anywho. Lancer doesn't like killing women, so he might have just dealt a powerful blow instead of a fatal one, or why he decided to leave the fight, which he clearly had an advantage in after using Gae Bolg. Though the best explanation for Saber's survival is probably her luck so far. Which isn't too bad (Rank: B). Also, the way Gae Bolg works is that it strikes you, and then "fate" sorta' plays out so that the event of actually striking you actually occurs. Reversal of cause and effect. The effect is a given, so things move in a fashion to achieve it. Luck is needed to change your "predestined fate." It's less of fortelling the future and more about your innate destiny.
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #290 on Jan 21, 2006, 4:14pm » | |
yeah that the way I understand it, but the sub mention about premonition, maybe a bad translation. I don't know who lancer master is, but the way he acted through lancer show a calculated man or woman. Never showing himself, trying to kill witnesses to prevent complication first, call off attack because Sabre avoided Gae Bolg, all point to a man who is unwilling to attack unless he has overwhelming odds. In his mind he might think Sabre already know about Gae Bolg and will most likely avoid it a second time and formulate stretagy around it (ok I know is not Saint Seiya...but hehe). Since he already know Shiro is the master and he sucks, I think it probably better to ambush Shiro at a more opportune time then to risk lancer getting kill or double K.O. by Sabre.
Again I have never play the game just speculate base on the anime. I also think that the anime may touch on aspect on all of the story lines instead on just one since type moon was involved in the production. Although the way they fit them will most likely deviate from the individual mutually exclusive story lines a bit.
Anyway I think it is very hard to translate exactly something that work well in novel form to anime form which has an universal time, especially for something that happen extremely quickly in real time but it's so complex for newcomer that require 15 pages of explanations. I think the way Gae Bolg was handle were quite well to show the surprise of Sabre. It may not look impressive compare to the description of the game (at least that what I heard) but I don't think it makes lancer less cool. A lance to me speaks power and precision and accuracy. I guess too much fancies effect and collateral damage just doesn't seem right. A fast, accuracy unavoidable attack would be more refreshing than a long drawn slow motion atttack with flame and lightning and stuffs. On the other hand, if Rin attack was suppose to be strong than the anime really fail that one because I really thought it was a rather weak attack on Rin's part against the raging Sabre. Although I was not too surprise about Sabre owning Archer fast, even though Archer seem to be head to head with Lancer. First of all the Archer/Sabre fight was interupted in midway, if Lancer use Gae Bolg against Archer he might have been "dead". Second Lancer didn't own Sabre because she avoided his attack, she actually force him to use his super XD. The way Sabre acted like it was nothing show me that she has confident to beat Lancer. When she charged Archer I know he won't win because archer as a class is suppose to use range attack, without distance he is screw, especially seeing how strong Sabre were with melee attack. Unless of course this archer actually suck at range attack due to some F-up with the holy grail or the way Rin summon him ehehhe and has to relie on his hunter weapon....sorry I play Wow.
I am kinda surprise at the way Sabre act, she seems like very bloodlous to me. Always want to charge at any thing that move and kill it with extreme prejudice. I think that some what belie her cute and calm face. She is almost a female version of that the main character in Full Metal Panic (forgot his name), absolutely no nosense approach to life. I wonder if Shiro has to win her heart by buying flower and cakes and kittens hehehe
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #291 on Jan 21, 2006, 4:22pm » | |
Gaebolg is an attack only avoidable by pure luck because it defies knowledge and speed (since the attack already hits you before it even begins). Saber has a decent luck rating and her instinct A attribute also helped her guessed correctly.
Lancer doesn't really go serious on anyone except against Archer in UBW. Bazette forbids him from fighting seriously. Actually I don't see anyone besides Berserker and Archer that can take a hit from the thrown version of Gaebolg. Keep in mind in Fate the + implies double so the thrown version of Gaebolg, at B+ rank, is at least twice as strong as the piercing version, and it's also the only high level point-to-point attack versus area effect A+ attacks from Bellerphon/Excalibur/Air.
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #292 on Jan 21, 2006, 4:35pm » | |
Actually after ep 3 astute peoples should be able to figure out who Lancer's master is. Lancer himself dropped a valuable hint in ep two that was validated by Archer earlier in the episode.
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #293 on Jan 21, 2006, 8:45pm » | |
Best dialogue I think I will ever hear in Fate:
Shirou: Are you saying I'm not worthy?
Rin: Obviously, you worthless fool.
This is from ep 03.
I loved it. Really loved it.
Sadly, Lancer's master is still a mystery except that his master is spineless/Coward/chicken etc.
But as in Saber's case, about serviving his Nobel Phantasm, I say it is skill that she lived thruogh it. Not luck. @cause she seems to know a lot about Lancer, if not all.
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #294 on Jan 21, 2006, 8:50pm » | |
More like Kotomine used a reiju on Lancer preventing him from killing anybody in their first fight. His stats are lowered as a result. His job was to monitor and report, not to kill.
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #295 on Jan 21, 2006, 9:00pm » | |
No amount of skill would let you survive the Gaebolg. You can only get lucky.
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #296 on Jan 21, 2006, 9:20pm » | |
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #297 on Jan 21, 2006, 10:52pm » | |
Saw ep 3...pretty impressed with the lancer/saber fight.
Agreed that saber ran through archer way too quickly...seeing as how powerful archer really is. I hope they explain it in ep 4 =p.
I especially like how lancer takes sabers agression so casually, like when saber called him a coward for running away his "You can come after me, but be prepared to risk your life" bit was awesome. As for whether lancer was able to handle saber pretty well, wasn't it said in hollow ataraxia that he actually fought against her and came out on top when they were both still living?
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #298 on Jan 21, 2006, 11:46pm » | |
Quick question about the servants ultimate abilities. Whats to stop them from just using it to begin with or repeatedly? Or does that expose the abilities weakness something.
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| | Re: Fate Anime: January 2006
« Reply #299 on Jan 22, 2006, 12:20am » | |
I think some of the best lines from this ep belong to Kotomine. The shots he took at Shirou were just too good.
From my understanding a Noble Phantasm will usually reveal a servant's true identity since its based off the distinctive ability each hero had in life. So their enemies will know their strengths and weaknesses. Also NP's just tend to work better as surprise blows so if a servant fails to destroy and enemy with their NP then they will have a huge disadvantage in battles to come.
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